Benjamin YatesAbt 1735 - 1838 (~ 103 years)
Name Benjamin Yates Born Abt 1735 Gender Male Census 1830 Crawford, Indiana _FSFTID L2GZ-N5X Died Jul 1838 Crawford, Indiana Buried Union Chapel Yates Cemetery, Grantsburg, Crawford, Indiana Person ID i19677 Yatesville History & Genealogy Last Modified 7 Jan 2021
Family Benjamin Yates, b. Abt 1735, d. Jul 1838, Crawford, Indiana (Age ~ 103 years) Children 1. John Yates, Sr., b. Abt 1760 Last Modified 8 Apr 2021 Family ID F914 Group Sheet | Family Chart
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1830 United States Federal Census Name: Benjamin Yates Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Undistributed, Crawford, Indiana Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14: 1 Free White Persons - Males - 20 thru 29: 1 Free White Persons - Males - 90 thru 99: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 70 thru 79: 1 Free White Persons - Under 20: 2 Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 2 Total Free White Persons: 6 Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 6
7/28/2012: We are looking for a Benjamin Yates b. ca 1735 parents, siblings and/or spouse; other allied names could include: Yeates, Yeats, Roberson, Robertson, Robinson
We know only one thing which I can document as to Benjamin Yates; all other things to date are speculation and not proven. The one thing is in 1830 Benjamin Yates resided in Crawford County, Indiana at the age of 90-99 years and appears to be living with a female at the age of 70-79 years; she may or may not be a spouse.
His only presumed descendant of Benjamin is his son John Yates, Sr. b. ca 1760 who was last documented in 1820 in Crawford County, Indiana. Thereafter we generally have a good handle on John, Sr's descendants but not his spouse or spouses.
There is no known recorded claim of previous residence for Benjamin; John Sr. is recorded on the Kentucky tax rolls and various court proceedings in the late 1790's era.
John Yates Sr. has several documented children which are tantalizing; the oldest son has always been listed as b. Kentucky; the next child has always listed b. Maryland.
Two of John Yates, Sr daughters married brothers named Roberson who later migrated to Kentucky and thereafter to Indiana. Through intermarriage activity my GG Grandfather married his 1st Cousin Elizabeth Roberson in 1847.
Elizabeth Roberson's father was named Benjamin and married the young Yates daughter Sarah. Benjamin Roberson was b. 1795 and christened in Prince George's Co., MD.
Diligent researchers have tried to define and connect this line for well over 50 years without success. It is my opinion shaped by a kind of Meta analysis of available documentation that we are dealing with a Great Grandfather ancestor who migrated to Kentucky for some specific reason in circa 1780's from PA, MD, England or Virginia.
There is no documentation of Ben Yates in Kentucky and the only documentation is him at age 90 in 1830 in Crawford County, Indiana. At this point we are leaning towards the idea that key family lineage documents may have not existed or perhaps destroyed with the British destruction of key building during the 1812-1814 eras.
Assuming reproductive practices of the era then we are absent Ben Yates siblings and descendants and his son John Yates siblings and descendants so we are unable to find perhaps as many as 25-30 Yates.
My hunch is the reason we don't find all these other potential descendants is they may not have migrated and might be found at the original “HOME BASE”, wherever that may be found.
Casual researcher have simply connected this line to one of the 3-5 Prime candidate Yates lines flowing out of PA, MD and VA but none can be documented. Ron Yates
The 1830 census for this County documents this Benjamin as an aged person; he has a grandson of the same name but his death is documented in 1865. The preponderance of information (in this case, the absolute absence of a previous life in this location or Kentucky with the documented family) strongly suggests this adult Benjamin Yates was a known person, had received letters previously and was known not to be able to pick up this letter. His grandson founded the Yates Cemetery on owned land therefore his burial is also speculated to be at Union Chapel Yates Cemetery, Grantsburg, Indiana.
“Looking for the Correct Ole Man Yates”
July 5, 2014
The search strategy after matching 111 Y-DNA markers with a genetic distance of 2?
DNA testing is proving to be a productive tool in the search to connect the immediate Yates line of 1780-2014 found generally in [Kentucky-Indiana-Illinois] with the older disconnected progenitor line likely found based in the Eastern US prior to 1780 generally located in the geographic triangle of [Philadelphia, PA-Cape May, NJ-Albany, NY].
The search period 2010-2013 has focused on finding and understanding what Yates families were present and accounted for during the post revolutionary period migration westward. While more details will always be found to bring clarity to the fuller picture, I have concluded that my mission now takes me to the places and people of earlier times in the east.
What do I think I know about the Yates families who migrated west?
Our Yates line doesn't appear until about 1783; then John Yates, Sr. b. ca 1760 has migrated to areas of Virginia which will be known as Kentucky in 1792 after statehood. It is speculated that he settled in an area known to be claimed land bounties by American Revolutionary Veterans. There is no suggestion or record that John Yates, Sr. either did or did not serve in a military capacity.
[Others received bounties for non-military service; land bounties were also acquired at a steep discount from veterans desperate for funds. A land bounty gave you a right to go out and claim a proper amount of land someplace, survey, then record it, unlike transactions on specific properties as done today. It is also worth noting, that the land being granted to these folks was already occupied by Native American who did not take kindly to this practice. This was true with migration later to Indiana and Illinois as well.]
I believe that John Yates, Sr. arrived with a spouse we do not yet know and two babies Robert and Esther Ada, who were both born in Maryland, Pennsylvania, New Jersey or New York. The balance of John Yates, Sr.'s children appears to have been born in Virginia/Kentucky.
Two of John Yates, Sr.'s daughters, Esther Ada and Sarah will marry Roberson bothers in Kentucky prior to migration to Indiana. I believe that John Yates, Sr. was acquainted with George Roberson, Sr. prior to their migration to Virginia/Kentucky.
In 1830 an extraordinary things occurs where an aged Benjamin Yates and spouse arrive and are living in the same general location as all of the other Yates members who have migrated to Indiana. [Specifically to Crawford County, Indiana which is separated from Kentucky by the Ohio River]
The one thing we know is in 1830 Benjamin Yates resided in Crawford County, Indiana at the age of 90-99 years and appears to be living with a female at the age of 70-79 years; she may or may not be a spouse. His only presumed descendant of Benjamin is his son John Yates, Sr. b. ca 1760 who was last documented in 1820 in Crawford County, Indiana.
Then in 1838, a letter arrives in the post office and is not picked up so it is included in a publication declaring it a “dead letter” if not picked up in 30 days. The 1830 census for this County documents this Benjamin as an aged person; he also has a grandson of the same name but his death is documented in 1865.
The preponderance of information (in this case, the absolute absence of a previous life in this location or Kentucky with the documented family) strongly suggests this adult Benjamin Yates was a known person, had received letters previously and was known not to be able to pick up this letter.
Benjamin Yates' grandson founded the Yates Cemetery in Grantsburg, Indiana on owned land therefore Benjamin's burial is also speculated to be at Union Chapel Yates Cemetery, Grantsburg, Indiana but is not marked.
To summarize, I speculate based on all that I have evaluated that Benjamin represents the most senior known Yates ancestor to migrate westward as to this specific line of descent. Benjamin is my 5th Great Paternal Grandfather and is 8 generations older than myself and seemingly joined his son John Yates, Sr. later in life. This move could have been out of love or necessity as resources drained in the east.
In 2013 I began to focus on DNA testing and started to identify very distant matches; some appear very promising, have paper genealogies and give a sense of direction that more testing could bear fruit. The most promising suggestion so far is that my specific Yates line connects to or through the James Yates & Agnes Webster family found in Bucks County, PA.
In late 2013 a male Yates [Charlie Yates] matched with me at 37 Y-DNA markers with a genetic distance of 2; this test was upgraded to 67 Y-DNA markers with a genetic distance of 3. This was my closest match and his oldest known ancestor was Samuel Porter Yates b. 1822 of New York.
In 2014 the best match to date was made with a male Yates [John H. Yates] 37 Y-DNA AND 67 Y-DNA markers with a genetic distance of 1; this test was upgraded to 111 Y-DNA with a genetic distance of 2. This is VERY big news and is a firm foundation for a new energetic search strategy.
111 Y-DNA with a genetic distance of 2? [What's the big deal?]
What this is interpreted to mean is based on the 111 markers tested, and a genetic distance of 2 we are described as being “tightly related” meaning we should be able to find a “common ancestor” that we share in the past, therefore; “Looking for the Correct Ole Man Yates”.
So, where would we expect to find this “Correct Ole Man Yates?” This is expressed in a level of confidence as follows: There is a
50% probability that we would find the “Correct Ole Man Yates” within 5 generations older than me;
90% probability that we would find the “Correct Ole Man Yates” within 8 generations older than me;
95% probability that we would find the “Correct Ole Man Yates” within 9 generations older than me;
99% probability that we would find the “Correct Ole Man Yates” within 11 generations older than me.
As expressed above, Benjamin Yates b. ca 1735-1838 is my 5th Great Paternal Grandfather and my 8th older generation. We clearly are entering an exciting new search experience. It may take years or we may stumble upon the connection with the arrival of the next e-mail or document found.
It is my intention to bear down again into the details of births, deaths, marriages and other events to in the above referenced eastern search triangle. I will be working in concert with new cousins who are genealogy intense in their own right looking for the same guy. There are an interesting number of Yates families in this new time and space; I am optimistic that we are moving in the right way for the right reasons. As always, each are you are always invited to contribute, join me on trips, help search or otherwise pitch as you can or desire. I will continue to keep you updated.
July 5, 2014
[There is no record to indicate a North American birth of this man. He is found in the 1830 census of Crawford County, Indiana and fairly credible documentation that he then died in July 1838 in that county. If this is correct then he likely was buried in an unmarked grave in the family graveyard, aka, Union Chapel Yates Cemetery. Extremely close 111 Y-DNA marker test results establish a relative presence early in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. 2/11/2018]