Angeline AllenAbt 1795 -
Name Angeline Allen Born Abt 1795 New York Gender Female Person ID I31460 Yatesville History & Genealogy Last Modified 9 Jan 2016
Father Sweet Allen, b. 27 Nov 1769, Newport, Rhode Island Family ID F3015 Group Sheet | Family Chart
- Update on John Allen s/o Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen Sun 1/3/2016
I've uncovered some interesting information recently that I thought you might like to have for your files. When we corresponded a few weeks ago I raised the possibility that John Allen, associated with Sweet Allen in Montgomery Co., NY, might be the missing son of Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen who supposedly drowned when the family left Rhode Island.
I discovered a transcribed copy of the family bible of John & Sebra (Allen) Allen of Amsterdam, Montgomery Co., NY. I can now prove that their daughter Mary is in my direct lineage.
The bible also included John's birthdate which differs by only the year from the date given for the John s/o Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen. In consideration of his family's close relationship to Sweet Allen I believe that there is sufficient circumstantial evidence to link John (m. Sebra Allen) and Sweet as likely brothers.
Below is a write up I did of the families for my files.
p.s. I'm sorry about the numbering on my discussion points. I tried to correct it but the email wasn't cooperating.
(FG) = Find-a-Grave;
(SPBC) = Six Principle Baptist Church;
Sweet Allen of Amsterdam, Montgomery Co., NY
1. Angeline, b. 1795-1796, d. aft 1860 , unmarried.
2. Rebecca Rachel, b. 1805-1806, d. 1891
m. Mathew R. (Remington?) Allen
3. William Thomas, b. 1803-1804 , d. 1859 m. Martha Maria.
a. Census records suggest that Sweet was born between 1765 and 1770. This is consistent with him being the s/o Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen who was b. Nov. 27, 1769, in RI.
b. Fulton Co. deed V2, pp 479-481, dated 1 Apr. 1836, recorded March 18, 1841, indicates that Sweet Allen is alive and living in Amsterdam, Montgomery Co., NY. This is later than death dates commonly given for him such as 1790 & 1832. Additional deeds in Montgomery Co. confirm this time frame. This raises an interesting possibility that Sweet could have moved to OH with the rest of his family and the family of his brother John? All of Sweet's children have been accounted for in the 1840 Trumbull Co., OH, census. If Sweet made the trip he likely died before 1840? If he stayed in NY who would he have lived with if all his children moved west?
d. Sweet's wife is reported online to be named Prudence but I was unable to verify this claim. They appear to have been married in RI based on Angeline's birth place in census records. Interestingly, their children Wm T. and Rebecca Rachel both had daughters named Prudence.
a. Sweet is listed as a subscriber to Knight's 1827 history of the SPBC. Presumably, he is a member of this church.
b. Sweet's children are reported to be Rebecca Rachel, wife of Mathew Remington Allen, Angeline, and Thomas. The 1810 to 1830 census seem to agree with this number. Angeline never married and followed Rebecca Rachel to IN with her family. I was not able to find a Thomas Allen but I did find a William T (Thomas?) Allen who seems to fit the profile of the missing son. Wm T. moved to Lordstown, Trumbull Co., OH, and is listed near the other Allens in the 1840 and 1850 census.
c. Wm T. Allen's wife is named Martha Maria. Some people list her as the d/o James s/o Wm & Rachel (Remington) Allen. I could not find any evidence of this. Martha Maria's place of birth is consistently given as CT which implies no immediate connection to the Allen's of Montgomery Co., NY. However, some of the Allens lived in Westerly, RI, which is just across the border from New London Co., CT. Another branch lived in North Stonington, CT, so I'm not discounting any possibility at this time. However, it is unproven that her maiden name is Allen. Online postings suggest Swan as another possibility.
a. Why did he and John Allen jointly purchase land that is identified as part of the estate of William Allen from John Wagar by quit claim? Is his wife an heir of Rev. William Allen? Or perhaps they were merely obtaining land contiguous with other holdings and the property boundaries weren't being disputed? A description of the property suggests that it was a narrow strip of land running between land owned by John and Sweet Allen.
a. I'm intrigued why Sweet chose to move to Montgomery Co. rather than stay closer to his parents and siblings. Considering that Sweet's daughter Angeline was born in RI it appears that Sweet remained in RI when his parents and siblings moved to Yates Co., NY? Presumably, his parents were deceased by the time Sweet migrated to Amsterdam. It also is important to note that both of Sweet's parents were Rev. Wm Allen's first cousins. It would help to have tax records from the 1790's to better understand the timing of his migration.
John Allen of Amsterdam, Montgomery Co., NY (b. Nov. 23, 1764, d. July 29, 1845) Wife: Sebra/Sebeara Allen (b. Dec 24, 1767, d. Sept 8, 1855); parents unknown.
Both Buried in Soaptown Cem., Lordstown, Trumbull Co., OH
Married: July 16, 1789, in RI by Henry Joslin of the SPBC.
1. Mary, b. 16 Apr. 1790, RI, d. 15 Feb 1865 or 1867. m.1 Jacob Lepper, m.2 Wm Quackenbush.
2. Thomas William, b. 18 Oct. 1807, NY, d. 6 Mar. 1892.
m. Waty Ann Soule d/o Isaac Soule & Hepzibeth Allen (see below)
3. Rebecca, b. 11 Aug. 1797, d. 11 Aug. 1821; m. Durfee Soule/Sowle and had one son named Russell A. Soule who died in 1851 in MI.
4. Russell, b. 26 Apr. 1792, d. 22 Aug. 1811. No none offspring.
a. A transcribed copy of their family bible was published by the Trumbull Co. chapter of the OH Genealogical Society in 1988 as part of a compilation of family bibles. This family record provides birth and death information for John, Sebra, all 4 of their children, as well as some grandchildren. The importance of this document cannot be overstated.
b. The Allen family bible gives John Allen's birthdate as 23 Nov. 1764. Note that Find-a-grave gives 24 Dec. 1764 likely based on an age at time of death calculation. A review of various census records suggests that John was born before 1765, ie, >45y, for instance. Therefore, I am using the birth year from the Allen family bible. The birth date from the bible is strikingly close to that given for John s/o Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen who reportedly was born 23 Nov. 1765, in RI, according to the Vital Records of Rhode Island. Considering the close relationship between the families of John and Sweet Allen, and their descendants, I believe that there is sufficient circumstantial evidence to support the conclusion that John and Sweet are brothers and, therefore, sons of Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen. Note that both men used Thomas and Rebecca as names for their offspring.
c. It is unclear when John & Sebra arrived in Amsterdam. They appear to be living in Westerly, RI, in the 1790 census. The next record is for John being taxed in 1799 in Montgomery Co., NY.
a. John's will was probated in Dec. 1845. It mentions his wife Sebeara, son Thomas W., daughter Mary, and grandson Russel Soule. This is the initial clue suggesting that there was a second daughter who married a Soule. Later discovery of the family bible provided the proof.
a. Why did he and Sweet Allen jointly purchase land that is identified as part of the estate of William Allen from John Wagar by quit claim? Is Sebra an heir of William Allen? A description of the property suggests that it was a narrow strip of land running between land owned by John and Sweet Allen. It may have been an opportunity to simply increasing their land holdings.
b. Historically, the daughter Mary is poorly documented. Her last name is not given in her father's will. The death entry in the Allen family bibIe indicates that “Mary Quackenbush” died 15 Feb. 1865. This date is close to the date give for Mary (Allen) Lepper Quackenbush who most researchers report died on 15 Feb. 1867. Further research is needed to identify the correct year of death. I believe that this Mary is the same person who first married Jacob Lepper and secondly to Wm Quackenbush. The following observations concerning Mary (Allen) Lepper Quackenbush support this conclusion:
1. Mary's oldest son is named John A. (Allen?) Lepper; likely named for her father;
2. Mary's second son is named Russell A. (Allen?) Lepper; likely named for her deceased brother.
3. Mary also had a younger daughter named Sebra/Sebeara Quackenbush; likely named for her mother;
4. She can be consistently found near John & Sebra from the 1810 census forward;
5. She and her children by both husbands moved to Lordstown, Trumbull Co., OH, and later Wells Co., IN, where they continued to be associated with the same Allens.
6. Mary's son Russell A. Lepper was an appraiser for the estate of Russell Soule thus showing continued long-term interaction between the two families.
From: Ron Yates To: 'Richie Rich' Saturday, October 10, 2015
Hi Rich, thank you for your very kind comments. It is clear you have drilled down into this Allen family and have raised some very good and reasoned questions. I wish my return answer was going to be even ½ as well reasoned.
When I embarked on this genealogy quest I was sucked into it by my paternal Uncles and it was easily done having the surname, a couple mysteries to solve and the civil war. At the same time I thought myself lucky that my maternal uncle was married at one time to an LDS devotee and considered herself very good at her work. She produced many volumes of genealogy on my maternal line which does include the Allen line that were passed to me which is the source of my information.
Over the years I have had occasion to respond to a couple folks but I have not directly done any authentic searching and documentation on my own. I have had the opportunity to observe that a few things that I have looked at done by her previously should be authenticated and brought up to current standard. I simply haven't reached that point yet of moving over to do that work yet. I remain grateful for the work that she did previously.
I will look at my collection of things and determine if any of the things sent to me over the last few years might address the points you raise. I am sorry to give you explanation versus good answers but life happens.
Regards, Ron Yates
I've been enjoying your website on Yatesville and the Allen family who settled in that area. I've been researching a group of Allens who came from RI and settled in Montgomery Co., NY, in the 1790's. Among them is Sweet Allen who appears to belong to the family of Thomas and Rebecca (Allen) Allen of Yates Co. I'm familiar with the book on the Prudence Island Allens and the story of the blind Allens who drowned at sea. I suspect that more than just a handful of them survived the trip. I'm finding records for Sweet Allen up to 1836 in both Montgomery and Fulton Co., NY, when he sold off his land holdings. His children moved to Trumbull Co., OH, in the late 1830's but it is not clear whether Sweet also made the trip. I'm comfortable that the records suggesting that Sweet died in 1790 or 1794 are incorrect. But I'm wondering if you have any idea for the source that suggests he died in 1832? This just doesn't agree with what I'm seeing.
Secondly, Sweet lived next to a John and Sebeara/Sebra (Allen) Allen in Montgomery Co., NY. Their family also moved to Trumbull Co., OH, about the same time as Sweet's children. I'm trying to identify the family relationship between all these people. Do you have any information suggesting that Sweet's brother John might have survived the trip to NY? Everyone says that he died in 1790 but how confident are we that this is truly correct? Sweet's brother John was born 23 Nov. 1765. The John Allen I've been studying in NY and OH was reportedly born 24 Dec. 1764. Note how each of the DMY dates are off by one between the 2 dates. I see this as a potential miscalculation of the age at time-of-death that is frequently given on tombstones rather than the actual birthdate. The John in NY typically is over 45y in early census records so I'm inclined to think that he was b. in 1764 but who knows if this is accurate. Have you seen an unexplained John Allen associated with the family in Yates Co. that might be the person so closely associated with Sweet Allen in Montgomery Co., NY? I would greatly appreciate hearing your thoughts on the issues I've raised about the family. Thank you very, very much.
- Update on John Allen s/o Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen Sun 1/3/2016