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William H. Allen

William H. Allen

Male Abt 1850 -

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  William H. Allen was born about 1850 in Ohio (son of William T. Allen and Martha Maria Swan).

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  William T. Allen was born about 1803 in New York (son of Sweet Allen); died in Nov 1859 in Mahoning, Ohio.

    Notes:

    Update on John Allen s/o Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen Sun 1/3/2016

    Hi Ron,

    I've uncovered some interesting information recently that I thought you might like to have for your files. When we corresponded a few weeks ago I raised the possibility that John Allen, associated with Sweet Allen in Montgomery Co., NY, might be the missing son of Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen who supposedly drowned when the family left Rhode Island.

    I discovered a transcribed copy of the family bible of John & Sebra (Allen) Allen of Amsterdam, Montgomery Co., NY. I can now prove that their daughter Mary is in my direct lineage.

    The bible also included John's birthdate which differs by only the year from the date given for the John s/o Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen. In consideration of his family's close relationship to Sweet Allen I believe that there is sufficient circumstantial evidence to link John (m. Sebra Allen) and Sweet as likely brothers.

    Below is a write up I did of the families for my files.

    Sincerely, Rich

    p.s. I'm sorry about the numbering on my discussion points. I tried to correct it but the email wasn't cooperating.

    Abbreviations
    (FG) = Find-a-Grave;
    (SPBC) = Six Principle Baptist Church;

    Sweet Allen of Amsterdam, Montgomery Co., NY
    Wife: Prudence?
    Children:

    1. Angeline, b. 1795-1796, d. aft 1860 , unmarried.

    2. Rebecca Rachel, b. 1805-1806, d. 1891
    m. Mathew R. (Remington?) Allen

    3. William Thomas, b. 1803-1804 , d. 1859 m. Martha Maria.

    Discussion

    a. Census records suggest that Sweet was born between 1765 and 1770. This is consistent with him being the s/o Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen who was b. Nov. 27, 1769, in RI.

    b. Fulton Co. deed V2, pp 479-481, dated 1 Apr. 1836, recorded March 18, 1841, indicates that Sweet Allen is alive and living in Amsterdam, Montgomery Co., NY. This is later than death dates commonly given for him such as 1790 & 1832. Additional deeds in Montgomery Co. confirm this time frame. This raises an interesting possibility that Sweet could have moved to OH with the rest of his family and the family of his brother John? All of Sweet's children have been accounted for in the 1840 Trumbull Co., OH, census. If Sweet made the trip he likely died before 1840? If he stayed in NY who would he have lived with if all his children moved west?

    d. Sweet's wife is reported online to be named Prudence but I was unable to verify this claim. They appear to have been married in RI based on Angeline's birth place in census records. Interestingly, their children Wm T. and Rebecca Rachel both had daughters named Prudence.

    a. Sweet is listed as a subscriber to Knight's 1827 history of the SPBC. Presumably, he is a member of this church.

    b. Sweet's children are reported to be Rebecca Rachel, wife of Mathew Remington Allen, Angeline, and Thomas. The 1810 to 1830 census seem to agree with this number. Angeline never married and followed Rebecca Rachel to IN with her family. I was not able to find a Thomas Allen but I did find a William T (Thomas?) Allen who seems to fit the profile of the missing son. Wm T. moved to Lordstown, Trumbull Co., OH, and is listed near the other Allens in the 1840 and 1850 census.

    c. Wm T. Allen's wife is named Martha Maria. Some people list her as the d/o James s/o Wm & Rachel (Remington) Allen. I could not find any evidence of this. Martha Maria's place of birth is consistently given as CT which implies no immediate connection to the Allen's of Montgomery Co., NY. However, some of the Allens lived in Westerly, RI, which is just across the border from New London Co., CT. Another branch lived in North Stonington, CT, so I'm not discounting any possibility at this time. However, it is unproven that her maiden name is Allen. Online postings suggest Swan as another possibility.

    a. Why did he and John Allen jointly purchase land that is identified as part of the estate of William Allen from John Wagar by quit claim? Is his wife an heir of Rev. William Allen? Or perhaps they were merely obtaining land contiguous with other holdings and the property boundaries weren't being disputed? A description of the property suggests that it was a narrow strip of land running between land owned by John and Sweet Allen.

    a. I'm intrigued why Sweet chose to move to Montgomery Co. rather than stay closer to his parents and siblings. Considering that Sweet's daughter Angeline was born in RI it appears that Sweet remained in RI when his parents and siblings moved to Yates Co., NY? Presumably, his parents were deceased by the time Sweet migrated to Amsterdam. It also is important to note that both of Sweet's parents were Rev. Wm Allen's first cousins. It would help to have tax records from the 1790's to better understand the timing of his migration.


    John Allen of Amsterdam, Montgomery Co., NY (b. Nov. 23, 1764, d. July 29, 1845) Wife: Sebra/Sebeara Allen (b. Dec 24, 1767, d. Sept 8, 1855); parents unknown.

    Both Buried in Soaptown Cem., Lordstown, Trumbull Co., OH
    Married: July 16, 1789, in RI by Henry Joslin of the SPBC.
    Children:

    1. Mary, b. 16 Apr. 1790, RI, d. 15 Feb 1865 or 1867. m.1 Jacob Lepper, m.2 Wm Quackenbush.

    2. Thomas William, b. 18 Oct. 1807, NY, d. 6 Mar. 1892.
    m. Waty Ann Soule d/o Isaac Soule & Hepzibeth Allen (see below)

    3. Rebecca, b. 11 Aug. 1797, d. 11 Aug. 1821; m. Durfee Soule/Sowle and had one son named Russell A. Soule who died in 1851 in MI.

    4. Russell, b. 26 Apr. 1792, d. 22 Aug. 1811. No none offspring.

    Discussion

    a. A transcribed copy of their family bible was published by the Trumbull Co. chapter of the OH Genealogical Society in 1988 as part of a compilation of family bibles. This family record provides birth and death information for John, Sebra, all 4 of their children, as well as some grandchildren. The importance of this document cannot be overstated.

    b. The Allen family bible gives John Allen's birthdate as 23 Nov. 1764. Note that Find-a-grave gives 24 Dec. 1764 likely based on an age at time of death calculation. A review of various census records suggests that John was born before 1765, ie, >45y, for instance. Therefore, I am using the birth year from the Allen family bible. The birth date from the bible is strikingly close to that given for John s/o Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen who reportedly was born 23 Nov. 1765, in RI, according to the Vital Records of Rhode Island. Considering the close relationship between the families of John and Sweet Allen, and their descendants, I believe that there is sufficient circumstantial evidence to support the conclusion that John and Sweet are brothers and, therefore, sons of Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen. Note that both men used Thomas and Rebecca as names for their offspring.

    c. It is unclear when John & Sebra arrived in Amsterdam. They appear to be living in Westerly, RI, in the 1790 census. The next record is for John being taxed in 1799 in Montgomery Co., NY.

    a. John's will was probated in Dec. 1845. It mentions his wife Sebeara, son Thomas W., daughter Mary, and grandson Russel Soule. This is the initial clue suggesting that there was a second daughter who married a Soule. Later discovery of the family bible provided the proof.

    a. Why did he and Sweet Allen jointly purchase land that is identified as part of the estate of William Allen from John Wagar by quit claim? Is Sebra an heir of William Allen? A description of the property suggests that it was a narrow strip of land running between land owned by John and Sweet Allen. It may have been an opportunity to simply increasing their land holdings.

    b. Historically, the daughter Mary is poorly documented. Her last name is not given in her father's will. The death entry in the Allen family bibIe indicates that “Mary Quackenbush” died 15 Feb. 1865. This date is close to the date give for Mary (Allen) Lepper Quackenbush who most researchers report died on 15 Feb. 1867. Further research is needed to identify the correct year of death. I believe that this Mary is the same person who first married Jacob Lepper and secondly to Wm Quackenbush. The following observations concerning Mary (Allen) Lepper Quackenbush support this conclusion:

    1. Mary's oldest son is named John A. (Allen?) Lepper; likely named for her father;
    2. Mary's second son is named Russell A. (Allen?) Lepper; likely named for her deceased brother.
    3. Mary also had a younger daughter named Sebra/Sebeara Quackenbush; likely named for her mother;
    4. She can be consistently found near John & Sebra from the 1810 census forward;
    5. She and her children by both husbands moved to Lordstown, Trumbull Co., OH, and later Wells Co., IN, where they continued to be associated with the same Allens.
    6. Mary's son Russell A. Lepper was an appraiser for the estate of Russell Soule thus showing continued long-term interaction between the two families.

    ________________________________________
    From: Ron Yates To: 'Richie Rich' Saturday, October 10, 2015

    Hi Rich, thank you for your very kind comments. It is clear you have drilled down into this Allen family and have raised some very good and reasoned questions. I wish my return answer was going to be even ½ as well reasoned.

    When I embarked on this genealogy quest I was sucked into it by my paternal Uncles and it was easily done having the surname, a couple mysteries to solve and the civil war. At the same time I thought myself lucky that my maternal uncle was married at one time to an LDS devotee and considered herself very good at her work. She produced many volumes of genealogy on my maternal line which does include the Allen line that were passed to me which is the source of my information.

    Over the years I have had occasion to respond to a couple folks but I have not directly done any authentic searching and documentation on my own. I have had the opportunity to observe that a few things that I have looked at done by her previously should be authenticated and brought up to current standard. I simply haven't reached that point yet of moving over to do that work yet. I remain grateful for the work that she did previously.

    I will look at my collection of things and determine if any of the things sent to me over the last few years might address the points you raise. I am sorry to give you explanation versus good answers but life happens.

    Regards, Ron Yates

    Hi Ron,

    I've been enjoying your website on Yatesville and the Allen family who settled in that area. I've been researching a group of Allens who came from RI and settled in Montgomery Co., NY, in the 1790's. Among them is Sweet Allen who appears to belong to the family of Thomas and Rebecca (Allen) Allen of Yates Co. I'm familiar with the book on the Prudence Island Allens and the story of the blind Allens who drowned at sea. I suspect that more than just a handful of them survived the trip. I'm finding records for Sweet Allen up to 1836 in both Montgomery and Fulton Co., NY, when he sold off his land holdings. His children moved to Trumbull Co., OH, in the late 1830's but it is not clear whether Sweet also made the trip. I'm comfortable that the records suggesting that Sweet died in 1790 or 1794 are incorrect. But I'm wondering if you have any idea for the source that suggests he died in 1832? This just doesn't agree with what I'm seeing.

    Secondly, Sweet lived next to a John and Sebeara/Sebra (Allen) Allen in Montgomery Co., NY. Their family also moved to Trumbull Co., OH, about the same time as Sweet's children. I'm trying to identify the family relationship between all these people. Do you have any information suggesting that Sweet's brother John might have survived the trip to NY? Everyone says that he died in 1790 but how confident are we that this is truly correct? Sweet's brother John was born 23 Nov. 1765. The John Allen I've been studying in NY and OH was reportedly born 24 Dec. 1764. Note how each of the DMY dates are off by one between the 2 dates. I see this as a potential miscalculation of the age at time-of-death that is frequently given on tombstones rather than the actual birthdate. The John in NY typically is over 45y in early census records so I'm inclined to think that he was b. in 1764 but who knows if this is accurate. Have you seen an unexplained John Allen associated with the family in Yates Co. that might be the person so closely associated with Sweet Allen in Montgomery Co., NY? I would greatly appreciate hearing your thoughts on the issues I've raised about the family. Thank you very, very much.

    Sincerely, Rich

    William married Martha Maria Swan. Martha was born about 1810 in Connecticut. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Martha Maria Swan was born about 1810 in Connecticut.
    Children:
    1. Russell S. Allen was born on 17 Dec 1846 in Ohio; died on 7 Jul 1924 in Indiana.
    2. 1. William H. Allen was born about 1850 in Ohio.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Sweet Allen was born on 27 Nov 1769 in Newport, Rhode Island (son of Thomas Allen and Rebecca Allen).

    Notes:

    Name: Sweet Allen Birth Date: 27 Nov 1769 Birth Place: Portsmouth, Rhode Island, USA Father Name: Thomas Allen Mother Name: Rebecca Allen Page Number: 51

    Name: Sweet Allen Residence Date: 17 Sep 1810 Residence Place: Rhode Island, USA Page Number: 390

    Name: Sweet Allen Assessment Year: 1799 Assessment Place: Amsterdam, Montgomery, New York, USA Residence Year: 1799 Residence Place: New York, USA

    Name: Sweet Allen Assessment Year: 1800 Assessment Place: Amsterdam, Montgomery, New York, USA Residence Year: 1800 Residence Place: New York, USA

    Name: Sweet Allen Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Amsterdam, Montgomery, New York Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14: 1 Free White Persons - Males - 60 thru 69: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: 2 Free White Persons - Females - 60 thru 69: 1 Free White Persons - Under 20: 1 Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 2 Total Free White Persons: 5 Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 5

    Update on John Allen s/o Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen Sun 1/3/2016

    Hi Ron,

    I've uncovered some interesting information recently that I thought you might like to have for your files. When we corresponded a few weeks ago I raised the possibility that John Allen, associated with Sweet Allen in Montgomery Co., NY, might be the missing son of Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen who supposedly drowned when the family left Rhode Island.

    I discovered a transcribed copy of the family bible of John & Sebra (Allen) Allen of Amsterdam, Montgomery Co., NY. I can now prove that their daughter Mary is in my direct lineage.

    The bible also included John's birthdate which differs by only the year from the date given for the John s/o Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen. In consideration of his family's close relationship to Sweet Allen I believe that there is sufficient circumstantial evidence to link John (m. Sebra Allen) and Sweet as likely brothers.

    Below is a write up I did of the families for my files.

    Sincerely, Rich

    p.s. I'm sorry about the numbering on my discussion points. I tried to correct it but the email wasn't cooperating.

    Abbreviations
    (FG) = Find-a-Grave;
    (SPBC) = Six Principle Baptist Church;

    Sweet Allen of Amsterdam, Montgomery Co., NY
    Wife: Prudence?
    Children:

    1. Angeline, b. 1795-1796, d. aft 1860 , unmarried.

    2. Rebecca Rachel, b. 1805-1806, d. 1891
    m. Mathew R. (Remington?) Allen

    3. William Thomas, b. 1803-1804 , d. 1859 m. Martha Maria.

    Discussion

    a. Census records suggest that Sweet was born between 1765 and 1770. This is consistent with him being the s/o Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen who was b. Nov. 27, 1769, in RI.

    b. Fulton Co. deed V2, pp 479-481, dated 1 Apr. 1836, recorded March 18, 1841, indicates that Sweet Allen is alive and living in Amsterdam, Montgomery Co., NY. This is later than death dates commonly given for him such as 1790 & 1832. Additional deeds in Montgomery Co. confirm this time frame. This raises an interesting possibility that Sweet could have moved to OH with the rest of his family and the family of his brother John? All of Sweet's children have been accounted for in the 1840 Trumbull Co., OH, census. If Sweet made the trip he likely died before 1840? If he stayed in NY who would he have lived with if all his children moved west?

    d. Sweet's wife is reported online to be named Prudence but I was unable to verify this claim. They appear to have been married in RI based on Angeline's birth place in census records. Interestingly, their children Wm T. and Rebecca Rachel both had daughters named Prudence.

    a. Sweet is listed as a subscriber to Knight's 1827 history of the SPBC. Presumably, he is a member of this church.

    b. Sweet's children are reported to be Rebecca Rachel, wife of Mathew Remington Allen, Angeline, and Thomas. The 1810 to 1830 census seem to agree with this number. Angeline never married and followed Rebecca Rachel to IN with her family. I was not able to find a Thomas Allen but I did find a William T (Thomas?) Allen who seems to fit the profile of the missing son. Wm T. moved to Lordstown, Trumbull Co., OH, and is listed near the other Allens in the 1840 and 1850 census.

    c. Wm T. Allen's wife is named Martha Maria. Some people list her as the d/o James s/o Wm & Rachel (Remington) Allen. I could not find any evidence of this. Martha Maria's place of birth is consistently given as CT which implies no immediate connection to the Allen's of Montgomery Co., NY. However, some of the Allens lived in Westerly, RI, which is just across the border from New London Co., CT. Another branch lived in North Stonington, CT, so I'm not discounting any possibility at this time. However, it is unproven that her maiden name is Allen. Online postings suggest Swan as another possibility.

    a. Why did he and John Allen jointly purchase land that is identified as part of the estate of William Allen from John Wagar by quit claim? Is his wife an heir of Rev. William Allen? Or perhaps they were merely obtaining land contiguous with other holdings and the property boundaries weren't being disputed? A description of the property suggests that it was a narrow strip of land running between land owned by John and Sweet Allen.

    a. I'm intrigued why Sweet chose to move to Montgomery Co. rather than stay closer to his parents and siblings. Considering that Sweet's daughter Angeline was born in RI it appears that Sweet remained in RI when his parents and siblings moved to Yates Co., NY? Presumably, his parents were deceased by the time Sweet migrated to Amsterdam. It also is important to note that both of Sweet's parents were Rev. Wm Allen's first cousins. It would help to have tax records from the 1790's to better understand the timing of his migration.


    John Allen of Amsterdam, Montgomery Co., NY (b. Nov. 23, 1764, d. July 29, 1845) Wife: Sebra/Sebeara Allen (b. Dec 24, 1767, d. Sept 8, 1855); parents unknown.

    Both Buried in Soaptown Cem., Lordstown, Trumbull Co., OH
    Married: July 16, 1789, in RI by Henry Joslin of the SPBC.
    Children:

    1. Mary, b. 16 Apr. 1790, RI, d. 15 Feb 1865 or 1867. m.1 Jacob Lepper, m.2 Wm Quackenbush.

    2. Thomas William, b. 18 Oct. 1807, NY, d. 6 Mar. 1892.
    m. Waty Ann Soule d/o Isaac Soule & Hepzibeth Allen (see below)

    3. Rebecca, b. 11 Aug. 1797, d. 11 Aug. 1821; m. Durfee Soule/Sowle and had one son named Russell A. Soule who died in 1851 in MI.

    4. Russell, b. 26 Apr. 1792, d. 22 Aug. 1811. No none offspring.

    Discussion

    a. A transcribed copy of their family bible was published by the Trumbull Co. chapter of the OH Genealogical Society in 1988 as part of a compilation of family bibles. This family record provides birth and death information for John, Sebra, all 4 of their children, as well as some grandchildren. The importance of this document cannot be overstated.

    b. The Allen family bible gives John Allen's birthdate as 23 Nov. 1764. Note that Find-a-grave gives 24 Dec. 1764 likely based on an age at time of death calculation. A review of various census records suggests that John was born before 1765, ie, >45y, for instance. Therefore, I am using the birth year from the Allen family bible. The birth date from the bible is strikingly close to that given for John s/o Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen who reportedly was born 23 Nov. 1765, in RI, according to the Vital Records of Rhode Island. Considering the close relationship between the families of John and Sweet Allen, and their descendants, I believe that there is sufficient circumstantial evidence to support the conclusion that John and Sweet are brothers and, therefore, sons of Thomas & Rebecca (Allen) Allen. Note that both men used Thomas and Rebecca as names for their offspring.

    c. It is unclear when John & Sebra arrived in Amsterdam. They appear to be living in Westerly, RI, in the 1790 census. The next record is for John being taxed in 1799 in Montgomery Co., NY.

    a. John's will was probated in Dec. 1845. It mentions his wife Sebeara, son Thomas W., daughter Mary, and grandson Russel Soule. This is the initial clue suggesting that there was a second daughter who married a Soule. Later discovery of the family bible provided the proof.

    a. Why did he and Sweet Allen jointly purchase land that is identified as part of the estate of William Allen from John Wagar by quit claim? Is Sebra an heir of William Allen? A description of the property suggests that it was a narrow strip of land running between land owned by John and Sweet Allen. It may have been an opportunity to simply increasing their land holdings.

    b. Historically, the daughter Mary is poorly documented. Her last name is not given in her father's will. The death entry in the Allen family bibIe indicates that “Mary Quackenbush” died 15 Feb. 1865. This date is close to the date give for Mary (Allen) Lepper Quackenbush who most researchers report died on 15 Feb. 1867. Further research is needed to identify the correct year of death. I believe that this Mary is the same person who first married Jacob Lepper and secondly to Wm Quackenbush. The following observations concerning Mary (Allen) Lepper Quackenbush support this conclusion:

    1. Mary's oldest son is named John A. (Allen?) Lepper; likely named for her father;
    2. Mary's second son is named Russell A. (Allen?) Lepper; likely named for her deceased brother.
    3. Mary also had a younger daughter named Sebra/Sebeara Quackenbush; likely named for her mother;
    4. She can be consistently found near John & Sebra from the 1810 census forward;
    5. She and her children by both husbands moved to Lordstown, Trumbull Co., OH, and later Wells Co., IN, where they continued to be associated with the same Allens.
    6. Mary's son Russell A. Lepper was an appraiser for the estate of Russell Soule thus showing continued long-term interaction between the two families.

    ________________________________________
    From: Ron Yates To: 'Richie Rich' Saturday, October 10, 2015

    Hi Rich, thank you for your very kind comments. It is clear you have drilled down into this Allen family and have raised some very good and reasoned questions. I wish my return answer was going to be even ½ as well reasoned.

    When I embarked on this genealogy quest I was sucked into it by my paternal Uncles and it was easily done having the surname, a couple mysteries to solve and the civil war. At the same time I thought myself lucky that my maternal uncle was married at one time to an LDS devotee and considered herself very good at her work. She produced many volumes of genealogy on my maternal line which does include the Allen line that were passed to me which is the source of my information.

    Over the years I have had occasion to respond to a couple folks but I have not directly done any authentic searching and documentation on my own. I have had the opportunity to observe that a few things that I have looked at done by her previously should be authenticated and brought up to current standard. I simply haven't reached that point yet of moving over to do that work yet. I remain grateful for the work that she did previously.

    I will look at my collection of things and determine if any of the things sent to me over the last few years might address the points you raise. I am sorry to give you explanation versus good answers but life happens.

    Regards, Ron Yates

    Hi Ron,

    I've been enjoying your website on Yatesville and the Allen family who settled in that area. I've been researching a group of Allens who came from RI and settled in Montgomery Co., NY, in the 1790's. Among them is Sweet Allen who appears to belong to the family of Thomas and Rebecca (Allen) Allen of Yates Co. I'm familiar with the book on the Prudence Island Allens and the story of the blind Allens who drowned at sea. I suspect that more than just a handful of them survived the trip. I'm finding records for Sweet Allen up to 1836 in both Montgomery and Fulton Co., NY, when he sold off his land holdings. His children moved to Trumbull Co., OH, in the late 1830's but it is not clear whether Sweet also made the trip. I'm comfortable that the records suggesting that Sweet died in 1790 or 1794 are incorrect. But I'm wondering if you have any idea for the source that suggests he died in 1832? This just doesn't agree with what I'm seeing.

    Secondly, Sweet lived next to a John and Sebeara/Sebra (Allen) Allen in Montgomery Co., NY. Their family also moved to Trumbull Co., OH, about the same time as Sweet's children. I'm trying to identify the family relationship between all these people. Do you have any information suggesting that Sweet's brother John might have survived the trip to NY? Everyone says that he died in 1790 but how confident are we that this is truly correct? Sweet's brother John was born 23 Nov. 1765. The John Allen I've been studying in NY and OH was reportedly born 24 Dec. 1764. Note how each of the DMY dates are off by one between the 2 dates. I see this as a potential miscalculation of the age at time-of-death that is frequently given on tombstones rather than the actual birthdate. The John in NY typically is over 45y in early census records so I'm inclined to think that he was b. in 1764 but who knows if this is accurate. Have you seen an unexplained John Allen associated with the family in Yates Co. that might be the person so closely associated with Sweet Allen in Montgomery Co., NY? I would greatly appreciate hearing your thoughts on the issues I've raised about the family. Thank you very, very much.

    Sincerely, Rich

    Children:
    1. Angeline Allen was born about 1795 in New York.
    2. 2. William T. Allen was born about 1803 in New York; died in Nov 1859 in Mahoning, Ohio.
    3. Rebecca Rachel Allen was born in 1806; died in 1891.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Thomas Allen was born about 1725 in Prudence Island, Newport, Rhode Island (son of William Allen, VII and Freelove Tillinghast); died in 1793 in New York.

    Notes:

    [SOURCE; From: Russell Allen; February 3, 2017 10:58 AM; Subject: Blind Allens(Allins) of Prudence; Hello Dave, Ron, Helen, I stumbled across your names while doing some research. My name is Russell Allen and a direct descendant of Joshua of the Blind Allens who is my 4th Great Grandfather, my grandfather Charles E. Allen gathered the notes for my Uncle Devere Allen to write the manuscript " Some Prudence Island Allens" I have been researching the family for over 20 years. First, I would like to say it is correct that Thomas & Rebecca and the family of Blind Allens did not perished on the trip West. The first 3 daughters who were not blind were married and stayed behind. Thomas & Rebecca along with the remaining 8 children made the trip. Joshua was not blind the other 7 were. They left on board the sloop " Sally " on Sept 4th 1794.The Sally was mastered by Cyrus Allen. travelled up the Hudson to Albany. Other families also went McNairs and Peeresses. It is true blind Sweet and John stayed behind in Amsterdam while the parents and other 6 children followed the Mohawk to Middlesex, Yates County. Durfee was a stepson and nephew of Tom and Rebecca who lost his parents at a young age. Hope this helps. Best regards, Russell Allen]

    From: Town of Bristol Historian Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 Subject: Thomas Allen To: Yatesville1@gmail.com; Please be aware that Thomas Allen born ABT 1725 Prudence Island, RI did not die in Genesee Co, NY. The Allen family (Blind Allens) came to Ontario Co, NY called the Genesee Country. After 1821 that part of Ontario County became Yates County.

    "Cleveland's History of Yates County" refers to them. It should also be noted that the cause of blindness currently has been identified as diabetes. Tracing the families of Allens and McNairs across the country it is noted that this condition has been carried on thru the families.

    Early histories of this family are incorrect assuming that it was different incorrect cause. Wish this could be corrected as the medical history of this family is important. Helen C Fox Bristol Town Historian brhist@frontier.com

    From: Dave Mosbruger [mailto:dmosbruger@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:40 PM To: yatesville1@gmail.com Subject: History and Genealogy

    Ron, Hello! I stumbled across your website today doing a Google search on an elusive branch of my family - the Allens from the Portsmouth, RI area. If you don't mind, I have a couple questions for you and I may also be able to contribute to your Allens.

    My biggest question is one I don't know that you can answer. I can trace my Allens back to Durfee Allen, Sr, b. 15 Aug 1787 in RI, d. 24 Feb 1856 in Prattsburgh, Steuben Co, NY (but he is buried in Middlesex, Yates County), his home of many years). One source, a letter copying a history of some sort, says Durfee Allen the first (he had a son named Durfee) "... was the step-son of the old man Thomas Allen..." If this is true, I may not truly have an Allen line past Durfee the first. Unfortunately, I have found no further information on these Allens other than several lived in Yates County (NY) and several of the siblings were blind (known as the Blind Allens).

    Regardless, other on-line sources (primarily from Rootsweb, as I recall) suggest old man Thomas Allen is the same Thomas Allen listed on your web site as having been born in 1761 and married a Durfee. For what it's worth, the same lady who gave me this info says Thomas Allen was married to Durfee Young. I don't know her source for this information.

    Thomas Allen's parents were Thomas and Rebekah Allen. It appears her maiden name really was Allen. I have his parents as William Allen and Freelove Tillinghast (agrees with your info). I have her parents as John Allen and Rebecca Hill.

    A few online resources that may or may not be of interest to you:

    http://archive.org/details/allengouldhillge00goul is a link to the descendants of William Allen of Prudence Island, RI. John Allen, married to Rebecca Hill (above) is the third generation from William and is Allen #20 in this book. Rebekah Allen, married to Thomas Allen, is Allen #63.

    http://archive.org/details/descendantsoftho00lcreed is a link to the descendants of Thomas Durfee of Portsmouth, RI. This book is the first of two volumes. In it I can trace the Durfees down to the point where a Sarah Durfee of Portsmouth, RI married John Allen, Jr of Prudence Island, RI on 9 Apr 1747(p. 199). It appears highly likely to me that John Allen, Jr. was the sixth child of John Allen and Rebecca Hill. Their John was born 26 Oct 1725 on Prudence Island.

    Unfortunately for me, I have all this enticing information about the Rhode Islandl Allens, but very little info is available on the Allens that moved to Yates County, NY. Still, I hope the above references prove useful to you in your research.

    Sincerely, Dave Mosbruger

    Thomas married Rebecca Allen on 19 Mar 1749 in Portsmouth, Newport, Rhode Island. Rebecca (daughter of John Allen and Rebeckah Hill) was born on 25 May 1730 in Prudence Island, Newport, Rhode Island; died in 1790 in Yates, New York. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Rebecca Allen was born on 25 May 1730 in Prudence Island, Newport, Rhode Island (daughter of John Allen and Rebeckah Hill); died in 1790 in Yates, New York.

    Notes:

    [SOURCE; From: Russell Allen; February 3, 2017 10:58 AM; Subject: Blind Allens(Allins) of Prudence; Hello Dave, Ron, Helen, I stumbled across your names while doing some research. My name is Russell Allen and a direct descendant of Joshua of the Blind Allens who is my 4th Great Grandfather, my grandfather Charles E. Allen gathered the notes for my Uncle Devere Allen to write the manuscript " Some Prudence Island Allens" I have been researching the family for over 20 years. First, I would like to say it is correct that Thomas & Rebecca and the family of Blind Allens did not perished on the trip West. The first 3 daughters who were not blind were married and stayed behind. Thomas & Rebecca along with the remaining 8 children made the trip. Joshua was not blind the other 7 were. They left on board the sloop " Sally " on Sept 4th 1794.The Sally was mastered by Cyrus Allen. travelled up the Hudson to Albany. Other families also went McNairs and Peeresses. It is true blind Sweet and John stayed behind in Amsterdam while the parents and other 6 children followed the Mohawk to Middlesex, Yates County. Durfee was a stepson and nephew of Tom and Rebecca who lost his parents at a young age. Hope this helps. Best regards, Russell Allen]

    Thomas Allen and Rebecca Allen, cousins who were descendants of William Allen (1640-1685), who came to Rhode island from Wales, Yorkshire, England, to settle on Prudence Island in the Narragansett Bay. Thomas Allen was the son of a later William Allen and his wife, Freelove Tillinghast. Rebecca Allen was the daughter of John Allen and Rebeckah Hill. In his genealogy on the Prudence Island Allens, DeVere Allen writes in great detail about Thomas and Rebecca (Allen) Allen's family, which he calls the "blind Allens." This reflects the fact that the mother and several children were blind. In the 1790s, as the family tried to move to upstate New York from Prudence Island, several members perished on the boat they used. Some survived, but their story truly is a tragic one.

    Children:
    1. Freelove Allen was born on 25 Jan 1750 in Prudence Island, Newport, Rhode Island.
    2. Joshua Allen was born on 17 Aug 1751 in Prudence Island, Newport, Rhode Island; died about 1810 in Yates, New York.
    3. Margaret Allen was born on 18 Feb 1753 in Prudence Island, Newport, Rhode Island.
    4. Mary Allen was born on 9 Nov 1755 in Prudence Island, Newport, Rhode Island.
    5. Rebecca Allen was born on 17 Dec 1757 in Portsmouth, Newport, Rhode Island; died in 1794.
    6. Patience Allen was born on 18 Nov 1759.
    7. Thomas Allen, Jr. was born on 17 Feb 1761 in Prudence Island, Newport, Rhode Island; died in in Yates, New York.
    8. Mehitable Allen was born on 5 Oct 1763 in Prudence Island, Newport, Rhode Island; died in 1794.
    9. John Allen was born on 23 Nov 1765 in Newport, Rhode Island; died on 29 Jul 1845 in Trumbull, Ohio.
    10. Hannah Allen was born on 3 Aug 1767 in Portsmouth, Newport, Rhode Island; died on 16 Feb 1836 in St. Omar, Decatur, Indiana.
    11. 4. Sweet Allen was born on 27 Nov 1769 in Newport, Rhode Island.